A discussion in the shop about the negative reaction to some of Clay Mann's art depicting women in DC's Heroes in Crisis series led to this discussion back at the old shop. Click on the image below to go to the download page, or subscribe to The Geeks at the Gates wherever you get your podcasts. Full shownotes (and there are a lot this week, including all of the images we talk about) can be found below the image.
The two images from Heroes in Crisis which sparked the controversy that led to the discussion which became this edition of the podcast were this image of a dead Poison Ivy, intended as the cover for Heroes in Crisis #7:
And this page featuring Batgirl from Heroes in Crisis #6.
We then considered the Bab's Tarr version of the character, which is very different in style, an example of which is provided here for comparison:
Hat went on to talk about a sex scene in "No.1 with a bullet". We don't have a copy of the comic in question to scan, and couldn't find an example on the internet to share. Do please let us know if you can point us to an appropriate image...
We then touched on the controversy surrounding J. Scott Campbell's initial porytayal of the 15 year old Riri Williams, seen to the left, and Regie opined that, while problematic, it wasn't as overtly sexualised as the only visible example of Campbell's work, a Red Sonja cover still displayed on the wall of the old shop.
This cover, to be precise:
And while we had some fun picking this apart, we also agreed that this isn't a particularly problematic image, given the nature and tradition of the character.
The geeks were happy to give propa to Campbell for his response to the criticism, which was to consider what people were saying, and more importantly, why they were saying it, and replying not with defensive self justification, but with this:
Which we reckon is just a better cover all around, really. Not only is it more appropriate for the character (in terms of her age, but also in terms of her personality) but it's good to see Campbell ditching his signature poses and doing something different.
So then Natasha Alterici's excellent Heathen comic came up, and Regie said he'd put Campbell's Red Sonja image next to the Heathen cover which featured Freya, Norse goddess of love, so, here you go:
Just because we love the art, here's another image of the goddess from the pages of the comic:
And a look at the main character's fur bikini in action: